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[vulonkaaz]

such a tragedy to find so many people who fell for the arch linux meme, thinking they found a minimalist distro when it actually is the exact opposite

What do you recommend for a minimal distro?

Alpine Linux if and only if you don't use proprietary programs (the only downside of Alpine is the lack of glibc, every precompiled GNU/Linux program depends on glibc which you can't have on Alpine unless you do some weird workarounds which are basically distro on top of the distro (chroots, flatpak, appimage)), when you only use FOSS programs (or use appimage or flatpak for the proprietary ones) Alpine is actually perfect

any distro that is STABLE where package versions DON'T MOVE AROUND EVERY SINGLE DAY, in other words nothing that is "rolling release", Arch is unminimal because it maximize the amount of time you spend fixing your config files due to breaking changes, maximize the amount of data that is being downloaded every time you pacman -Syu, maximize the amount of cortisol in your blood whenever you have to deal with all this bs

I think the best one apart from Alpine is Devuan, I know no other distro that is both stable and has no systemd and isn't a janky meme distro

there's also Slackware but its very unminimal since the base install is like 15GB and despite that still has a lot that's missing and kinda got no package manager

you can make Arch minimal by never updating the system & installing most things from source/tarballs/appimages (that's what I do with my artix machine which make me suffer every time I deal with the package manager)

[kshmr]

I'm switching to FreeBSD

Why switch to BSD and why FreeBSD over the others if I may ask? I approve of BSDpill BTW Just curious about reasons.

Actually I was switching but couldn't
Basically my lappy possess some Realtek Network Card which isn't supported by any BSD distribution but FreeBSD has ported the drivers for this card from Linux directly, that's why I chose FreeBSD but the installation was failing every time because of some networking issues so I was frustrated and had to come back to linux.
So in order to avoid the bloatware which comes with Arch Linux, I came to the Void Linux and currently I'm configuring audio I was trying to get sndio working as thricegreat mentioned it which worked eventually but modern browsers like firefox and Brave(the one i use rn) do not support sndio at all so I had get pipewire and it is somewhat justified.
I'm still wondering what window manager should I use, currently I'm on dwm but maybe I'll switch to something else.

My reason to go to bsd from linux was because of curiousity but also my mind was playing tricks like "linux is bloated, it has different things for systemd and depends on the freedesktop sh*t which I hate" and I still want to leave it so next time I'll buy a machine I'll look for an Intel network card so that I can get BSD working, preferable NetBSD

[Thricegreat]

I was trying to get sndio working as thricegreat mentioned it which worked eventually but modern browsers like firefox and Brave(the one i use rn) do not support sndio at all so I had get pipewire and it is somewhat justified.

Those browsers support sndio but not in Linux I guess. For example I don't have any problems to use sndio for ungoogled-chromium in OpenBSD.

[kshmr]

I was trying to get sndio working as thricegreat mentioned it which worked eventually but modern browsers like firefox and Brave(the one i use rn) do not support sndio at all so I had get pipewire and it is somewhat justified.

Those browsers support sndio but not in Linux I guess. For example I don't have any problems to use sndio for ungoogled-chromium in OpenBSD.

OpenBSD has patched the browsers in their repo for sndio support

[kshmr]

any distro that is STABLE where package versions DON'T MOVE AROUND EVERY SINGLE DAY, in other words nothing that is "rolling release", Arch is unminimal because it maximize the amount of time you spend fixing your config files due to breaking changes, maximize the amount of data that is being downloaded every time you pacman -Syu, maximize the amount of cortisol in your blood whenever you have to deal with all this bs

I think the best one apart from Alpine is Devuan, I know no other distro that is both stable and has no systemd and isn't a janky meme distro

there's also Slackware but its very unminimal since the base install is like 15GB and despite that still has a lot that's missing and kinda got no package manager

you can make Arch minimal by never updating the system & installing most things from source/tarballs/appimages (that's what I do with my artix machine which make me suffer every time I deal with the package manager)

Arch is definitely a bloated OS but when it comes to the package management it is lowk great, I never got anything broken because of updates and having a stable distro over a rolling-release one is a subjective preference, it doesn't make the stable distributions objectively superior.
Even Arch isn't supposed to be updated every single day, you are only supposed to do it at your own pace and comfort.
Especially when it comes to wayland, Arch is absolutely the best as wlroots is a very frequently changing entity and the other software based on wlroots needs to be updated at the same pacing wrt the supported version of wlroots and the so-called "stable" distributions just make the situation worse.
A common wayland user stack is a WM like sway, river, dwl &c. and dnkl's software and the latest versions of these softwares are always in the Arch so you never get a version mismatch b/w dependencies and the binary u r using while other distributions aren't quite uniform like Alpine has different software in different repos and not always the latest version.
I myself do agree that wayland is ugly and we shouldn't be using it as an example but we shouldn't ignore it either as every major DE has moved to wayland and it is the so-called "next big thing".
The Distribution I prefer is Void, it is not a meme distro at all.
It use runit for init system and use the stable rolling release model which is the middle way b/w the extremes that Debian and Arch follow.
The package manager xbps is way better than pacman and competes with Alpine in terms of speed.

[vulonkaaz]

Especially when it comes to wayland, Arch is absolutely the best as wlroots is a very frequently changing entity and the other software based on wlroots needs to be updated at the same pacing wrt the supported version of wlroots and the so-called "stable" distributions just make the situation worse.
A common wayland user stack is a WM like sway, river, dwl &c. and dnkl's software and the latest versions of these softwares are always in the Arch so you never get a version mismatch b/w dependencies and the binary u r using while other distributions aren't quite uniform like Alpine has different software in different repos and not always the latest version.
I myself do agree that wayland is ugly and we shouldn't be using it as an example but we shouldn't ignore it either as every major DE has moved to wayland and it is the so-called "next big thing".
The Distribution I prefer is Void, it is not a meme distro at all.
It use runit for init system and use the stable rolling release model which is the middle way b/w the extremes that Debian and Arch follow.
The package manager xbps is way better than pacman and competes with Alpine in terms of speed.

well you can guess what I think of wayland but for me a piece of software that "is a very frequently changing entity" is the exact example of A TERRIBLY BAD PIECE OF SOFTWARE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT READY YET FOR PUBLIC USE, I have this opinion because of my years of using Hyprland on Artix with its config files breaking every few months, sometimes the behavior and default feel would change and at one point they removed my favourite default wallpaper

a good stable distro would have solved this problem since it would have freezed everything at a specific version where everything is compatible together

I don't think a lot of DE actually moved over, Gnome and KDE did, XFCE is experimenting but the wayland thing is still janky from what i heard

i haven't considered void because i entirely reject the concept of rolling release now, maybe I should experiment

here's a few incidents that happened to me on artix for me to have such extreme views on rolling releases:
- hyprland config breaking every few months
- 3GB of download every time i type pacman -Syu
- the entirety of my virtual machines (there's a lot of them) breaking because of a change in libvirt
- random programs that stop working because of a mismatch in libraries (per example i currently can't launch sc-im because I compiled it too long ago, and at one point I couldn't launch mumble because the version in artix repo wasn't recompiled, at one point it was mpd)

[satoridepon]

heres mine, wayland and xorg both suck btw. Art made by Yoshitoshi Abe looks awesome and makes for nice backgrounds.