/phil/ - Philosophy General

[Thricegreat]

Isn't it weird that people are interested in philosophy but there is no philosophy thread to talk about it?

Any philosophical discussions are welcome.

[Thricegreat]

To start with the Tractatus because I guess it is what most of you are interested in, I especially like the Proposition 1. Which is not what people are usually interested in from that book.

1 The world is all that is the case.
1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things
1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts.
1.12 For the totality of facts determines what is the case, and also whatever is not the case.
1.13 The facts in logical space are the world.
1.2 The world divides into facts.
1.21 Each item can be the case or not the case while everything else remains the same.

It argues that what really exist are only facts, not things. Things can exist only as the characters of facts. I guess this ontology is also a bit similar to Whitehead's process philosophy. I still don't know much about Whitehead, but Amlux told me about this matter via email.

Also 1.11 implies what usually called The One (τὸ ἕν). A part of the world cannot independently exist from the world itself. If there is no world, it cannot exist. So The One exists first. And other things can exist only as parts of it.

Though these are just my interpretations. Other interpretations are also welcome.

[zen]

I was in a big Whitehead phase last year but I forgot most of the fine details. Maybe we should do a Whitehead reading group?

Wittgenstein is cool. Not much to say about TLP imo because he already said it all. But other early/middle Wittgenstein is also very good (eg notebooks, blue and brown books, philosophical grammar, foundations of math). Late Wittgenstein is booooring boring boring read other analytic phil guys instead of wasting your time on it

Kripke could also be fun to subject to a reading group ; post-Wittgenstein guy but he is about as clear as a mug of milk tea.

[Amlux]

I was in a big Whitehead phase last year but I forgot most of the fine details. Maybe we should do a Whitehead reading group?

That would be cool. I'm reading Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche right now, but it would be very nice to do something like this for Process and Reality, which is the Whitehead book that interests me most. Some people say Science and the Modern World is important to read as a foundation, but I just went to PAR and found it decently self-contained, though if anything more complicated by its references to earlier metaphysical thinkers (Descartes, Locke, Hume). What did you read?